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PostSubject: Is hed selling out?   Fri Sep 04, 2009 11:24 pm

Dudes & Dudettes,

I know it has been a very long time since I posted anything original apart from a reply to some random topic somewhere,
but when I checked out the topic on the ipod/iphone app, I just had to make this one.
You know , this stuff has been bugging me for quite some time, but after the last two clear *signs* I just had to get this shit off my chest.

Because I just have the feeling hed is selling out bigtime brothers!

The ipod/iphone app just did it for me, this is some cheap shit.
what the fuck is up with that? keep on track with the band at all times? In my opinion not D.I.Y. at all, just some suit&tie fucker trying to gain some profit over the band..

And rereleasing N.W.O.?
As some members of this community posted already; it's just another way to gain more album sales..in other words make more money!
and as for N.W.O. , it is a solid record. but in this way it's just overkill, I already had enough..bring us some more new music.. not just one song.
I fore one, will not be buying this rerelease.. the plain idea of it is just dumb, because basicly if you buy this album, you're not supporting the band in any way. The only thing you're doing is getting anally raped by the morons at Suburban Noize records. And when they make more money over hed's back. they can use that cash to sign more morons on the label that produce shitty music!

The last single also clearly is a sign, because it just sounds like renegade pt2.. nice that there's a killer vid coming up..(or not, who knows?!)

I'm just getting sick of this shit!

I don't really get it guys, because they are still claiming to have a D.I.Y./ punkrock statement.. but the way i see it, subnoize is making heaps of cash over their backs, so that's not punkrock at all to me. That's just capitalistic bullshit, forcefed to me man..

I'm sorry if I pissed any of you guys off with my views on the whole matter, but I just had to get this shit off my chest!

Bring back the old skool punky (hed) we used to love..
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PostSubject: Re: Is hed selling out?   Sat Sep 05, 2009 1:10 am

Coudn't have said it better.

I agree 100% with your views and appreciate your honesty.

As much as I respect their decision they should go back to Koch or something.

They always rave about how Sub Noize give them free reign but it doesn't seem like that to me at all.
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PostSubject: Re: Is hed selling out?   Sat Sep 05, 2009 3:51 am

Well first of all, Wedged, I agree 100% with you as well.
I tried ignoring it and just ya know, agreeing with everything that they do
But, it's just getting annoying. I am not going to say I dont love even their new music
Because NWO was a great album...but thats no reason to make us buy it 10 times
Whether it's Subnoize or them, it's not fair, its selling out, and its everything they claim to be against

And you know, I think it was either Gimmehed or JamieVolcano (from the old forum)
They said something about how Subnoize approached them before they signed to Koch
And they rejected the offer...and Gimmehed/Jamie (I cant remember who it was) hinted that
We shouldnt believe everything we see/hear Jah say...meaning maybe they dont even like the label lol
So...if that were true, maybe they are in another Jive situation
Even so, its bullshit.

And also, all this talk against Subnoize...I agree, and think they are just trying to get very popular
I forgot, they signed Brokencyde (one of the most popular groups for the little scene kids)
They want as much money and popularity as they can get...
I wouldnt doubt them controlling HED as much as possible right now

And I agree with hed2012...If they were still on Koch...thatd be awesome
OIA is hands down my fav album...which was made on Koch
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PostSubject: Re: Is hed selling out?   Sat Sep 05, 2009 12:34 pm

I don't think it's Hed, it looks like Subnoize is forcing them to sell out. I've just written about it in "new edition" thread, it's not just Hed but also KMK and who knows what next.

But as far as I know KMK own the label so it's their own decision to release so much stuff and claim how "exclusive" it is.

When it comes to Hed, maybe they agree to all this bullshit bacause they don't wanna change the label again...anyway, it's plain hypocrisy to claim they're so "underground" and "independent" and then do things like that.

I really wish they went to some other label that would treat them seriously, invest some money in promoting them and producing good videos instead of just using the band for their own profit.

That's why I no longer regret I haven't bought all 3 NWOs. Not sure yet if i'm gonna get the new one, maybe if they really do something more than just adding one song...
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PostSubject: Re: Is hed selling out?   Sat Sep 05, 2009 12:48 pm

totally agree with ya wedged.

apart from that, how r u doin? everything cool?
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PostSubject: Re: Is hed selling out?   Sat Sep 05, 2009 4:21 pm

Apart from that, they're selling out.
I HATE that they're selling out right now. I'd rather hear another Blackout than another NWO.
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PostSubject: Re: Is hed selling out?   Sat Sep 05, 2009 6:04 pm

I remember in Diy guys 1, jahred opens up by calling major label people fags, but then hed goes and does a marketing scam like majors do. Subnoize probably does push for more hed stuff, cause hed probably brings in a shit load of dough. but i bet the band pushs it too. and maybe this is just jahred trying to get his message further out. at least there getting off there lazy asses.

If you have an iphone enjoy the app. Yeah its defiantly isn't diy. but in my opinion hed isn't really punk at all and shouldn't claim to be, cause they are much more than it. but hey punks whatever you make

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PostSubject: Re: Is hed selling out?   Sun Sep 06, 2009 7:36 am

I agree with everything, except this being Subnoize's fault.
And I'm not a giant fan of the label.

I just don't think this is their doing.

I mean, I started feeling iffy about what Jared was thinking about/talking about when all of a sudden Obama =/= Illuminati.
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PostSubject: Re: Is hed selling out?   Sun Sep 06, 2009 10:21 am

depends on how u define "selling out". I dont know any other band doing everything to repel more people/groups with their lyrics and or music. selling out to me is smoothing all edges to be suitable for the mass. they're not doing that at all so my answer would be no, hed is not selling out.
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PostSubject: Re: Is hed selling out?   Sun Sep 06, 2009 8:48 pm

i.never.run wrote:
depends on how u define "selling out". I dont know any other band doing everything to repel more people/groups with their lyrics and or music. selling out to me is smoothing all edges to be suitable for the mass. they're not doing that at all so my answer would be no, hed is not selling out.

they made renegade, which got put on the radio. when it became successful, they made here and now specifically to be put on the radio.
here and now is a clone of renegade (though i DO like the song)...so, isnt that kind of what you said selling out is?
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PostSubject: Re: Is hed selling out?   Mon Sep 07, 2009 12:01 am

i do agree that here and now is a renegade clone but i think the motivation is to get more fans and maybe if jah means half of what he says then he really does want the truth to come out to millions of people. but i don't get you guys either cause one minute your stoked about them being on the radio and headbangers and now they are selling out cause they made three versions of an album and now there is a fourth one.They wanted to give their fans an extra 9 tracks and make them exclusive that means that they aren't going to be on the new version no one said you had to buy it just cuz they released it i mean that would make us a bunch of ass kissers lol that cd isn't intended for us cuz we heve the o.g nwo albums, its intended for all the newer fans they have that are multiplying every single day.
as far as wanting here and now you can buy it online, don't think they intended to make it seem so fucked up towards us cuz i think they had good intentions but stuff is getting switched around to make them look like the bad guys. there is a difference between selling out and gaining popularity and wanting to maintain that popularity when u have a message to get out to the people.
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PostSubject: Re: Is hed selling out?   Mon Sep 07, 2009 1:34 am

selling out? guys.. chill the fuck out. stop being so dramatic.

ha, noone is forcing you to buy anything.. and if for some reason you feel absolutely obliged as a hed fan to go and buy a product you're not happy with, then you're (lets face it) a moron. i am not targeting anyone here in particular just the idea of extreme fanaticism. i only bought one copy of NWO and downloaded all the bonus shit i couldn't have gotten otherwise without buying the other two. and its not because i'm not a fan - i'm just a tight arse and don't believe in paying more than $25 for an album - bonus tracks or no.

i will also be downloading 'here and now' when it becomes available online for exactly the same reason.

i think tyler makes a good point. this new 'edition' of NWO is not really meant for the people who have bought the 3 original editions and will not contain the bonus tracks found on those versions. IT IS SIMPLY MEANT AS A CONSOLIDATION OF THE RECORD for anyone who hasn't bought NWO yet.. the fanbase IS constantly growing it seems.

note: if you are a hardcore collector then this post does not apply to you. i feel the new version can only add to the weight of your collection.

as for the iphone app - lol. you no likey - you no buy!
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PostSubject: Re: Is hed selling out?   Mon Sep 07, 2009 7:15 am

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as for the iphone app - lol. you no likey - you no buy!

yo, it's free!)
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PostSubject: Re: Is hed selling out?   Mon Sep 07, 2009 8:14 am

Whoa its been awhile seen I've stopped by. Howdy everyone. I am like a bad store manager that only stops by once every half eternity. But I've been keeping busy! Wink

Anyways man there is so much more news on (hed)p.e. than i thought! Re-releasing NWO? Are you kidding me!? That album needs nothing to be done to it, let alone a re-release. That's just absurd. I thought NWO was a terrific album that made up for Insomnia's mediocrity, but this is a terrible idea.... a whole re-release just for one song?

I would have to agree with wedged as well as the handful of others that this is just plain selling out sometimes nowadays. Trying to milk a cow as much as possible; this ain't right! I just want (hed) to be about the music again and not trying to be so into promoting their pseudo-truth movement shtick that was cute for about for about six months.

If I were Jared I would just release the new song with a handful of other tracks on maybe a split E.P.with another artist or maybe just an e.p. of like 3 or 4 new (hed) songs.

Going over a few more threads on the forum, reveals that (hed)p.e. is just running out of gas or at least Jared is. He is seriously giving me a headache now with his myspace blogs
. "Mean people suck"? What the hell is this? Dude all you do on your albums is rag on people so get your shit straight man. So that was pretty worthless rant/blog.

The iPhone app is pretty cool I think, but all of these thoughts on re-releasing NWO isn't. but to each their own i guess.
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PostSubject: Re: Is hed selling out?   Mon Sep 07, 2009 8:24 am

Mr.Null wrote:
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as for the iphone app - lol. you no likey - you no buy!

yo, it's free!)

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you no likey! you no get!
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PostSubject: Re: Is hed selling out?   Mon Sep 07, 2009 10:53 am

of course nobody makes us buy the new NWO and if we don't it's not gonna mean we're not real fans Razz

and yeah, maybe it's intended for new fans. that's also the purpose of putting Here and Now on the radio and personally I think it's cool that Hed is getting more attention and new fans.

I just wish they did something more with the new edition than adding just one song. To me the ideal would be to make a 2 CD set with all songs from previous versions + Here and Now, then it would be really worth buying.
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PostSubject: Re: Is hed selling out?   Mon Sep 07, 2009 4:20 pm

Sure it's cool for the new fans with a re'release and an extra track. Im sure though that all the peeps at Subnoize hope that everyone who already has a copy is dumb enough to buy another one! I dont wanna complain too much though, i thought the original idea with the 3 different cd's was an awesome and fun thing to do but yea enough already. A thing that always bummed me out though is the "comercials" inside the jewelcase. The record is supposed to be all serius and shit revealing the "truth" and then the first thing u see when u open it up is a bunch of codes to buy ringtones! lame!
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PostSubject: Re: Is hed selling out?   Mon Sep 07, 2009 7:44 pm

MADMANNe wrote:
A thing that always bummed me out though is the "comercials" inside the jewelcase. The record is supposed to be all serius and shit revealing the "truth" and then the first thing u see when u open it up is a bunch of codes to buy ringtones! lame!
lolololol, yeah really

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PostSubject: Re: Is hed selling out?   Mon Sep 07, 2009 10:37 pm

What is Ironic is that when (hed) had a fall from fame, they kind of had the whole "well I never loved her anyway" attitude. You know like denial, they kept saying it was their decision and that they loved being an "underground band".

I thought that was fine by me, I ran with it. I bought the records and loved seeing the band on tour so often. When the band released NWO and renegade was all over American Rock radio station I was glad for the band. Getting radio play and interviews is NOT selling out, but what is selling out is releasing FOUR FUCKING VERSIONS OF YOUR RECORD.

I mean the band become very hypocritical in recent years, they USE the whole "fight the man" image as a tool to capitalise. Its like all the Che Guevera shirts going around, he was a socialist who died for his beliefs, but his face is now being used to make money for some big companies.

A couple of years ago when I saw (hed) on the B2BX tour they said they would be back every year to do a european tour. Yet as soon as the mainstream media gives them an ounce of attention they seem to turn their backs on us and keep rolling round the US.


Personally I would like to see a free download of Here and Now and any other new material on this new record for anyone who has previous copies of NWO. I know that I could easily download it anyway, but the gesture itself would be what matters.

Thanks, lozz.
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PostSubject: Re: Is hed selling out?   Tue Sep 08, 2009 1:17 am

well, if i remember correctly, since the release of N.W.O., it was said that the first version of the cd would come in colors, and after running out, they would be releasing a fourth version, so its no surprise theyre releasing this right now.

but yeah, the new song should be released for free or something if the really wanna show how "punk rock/DiY/underground" they are
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PostSubject: Re: Is hed selling out?   Tue Sep 08, 2009 2:50 am

Well said Loz. Agreed man.
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PostSubject: Re: Is hed selling out?   Wed Sep 09, 2009 12:34 pm

i find it kind of weird how some dudes on the one hand have big asperations (like hed touring all over the world and releasing better sound-qualitiy albums) and on the other hand proklaim "dont try to make money"-demands. doesnt fit for me. like andy_factor said, u dont have to buy it, but u know, for hed its the same like for each and everyone of us, u got to feed the monkey!
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PostSubject: Re: Is hed selling out?   Wed Sep 09, 2009 11:05 pm

hed pe are sell outs

fucking sell outs!
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PostSubject: Re: Is hed selling out?   Thu Sep 10, 2009 3:52 am

I don't think anyone has a problem with (hed) making money. I think the problem lies in HOW they make the money. Releasing four N.W.O's is just ridiculous. They should be focusing on making new music. Not cloning a single that went well and releasing yet another N.W.O.
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PostSubject: Re: Is hed selling out?   Thu Sep 10, 2009 11:32 am

if there is an unsatisifed demand on the market the 4th nwo will work. if there isn't, well, then it wont work. if they're out of stack, why not throw in a new song and new artwork on the new ones? if they're not out of stack, dont bother they wont be making any money with a superfluous product.
as for the "cloned song": i dont care. its a new song and we all know there will be a lot of different songs on the next album. so are we lecturing hed now on when to release what kind of songs? im all on yours side as soon as hed makes a whole icp/renegade clone/no different styles no more-new record. but till then: [insert dickgrabbin jointsmoking and chillin-references of ur convenience here]
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