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PostSubject: question for everyone   Sun Aug 09, 2009 6:16 am

It's been a while since i've been on here. but Ive been thinking about it alot lately and it's made me wonder what everyone else's views are on this.

The other day, Hed posted a myspace bulletin talking about Sonia Sotomayor and how Obama is a juggalo and all this shit. It was a bunch of political crap, what else is new...

Then, I noticed today that they deleted that bulletin and posted another one "Mean People Suck" basically talking shit about the people who left negative comments about Obama and Sotomayor. The thing is.. this new bulletin doesn't allow comments, so people can't voice their opinion on this one.

I noticed at least one person from this forum post a comment on their first bulletin, who was against what was said, and I also posted and was against it.

So here's my question...

Who here is sick of the political bullshit and wishes Hed would just get back to making good music? Personally, I'm not impressed with the new song they have, and haven't been impressed for a while. It's a whole new style, and it's sad to see Hed make a turn in this direction. EVERYTHING is political nowadays. What happened to the days when it was all about the music, and not about the politics?
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PostSubject: Re: question for everyone   Sun Aug 09, 2009 7:59 am

Agreed.
I didn't read the Sotomayor/Obama post or the other one, but I do think that the politics have taken overhand. Especially when Jahred changes his mind like every other week. He might be off drugs now seing things a bit clearer, but a lot of that stuff over a long time will affect you for a long time if not forever..

I still think the band is still about the music though. Jaxon doing a killer job with some great riffs and stuff. I'm also a little confused about Jahred always saying the that they've moved on and that the first albums were just about partying and shit. Of course there's songs like Bartender and other easy going songs, but at least on s/t there are a lot of songs with something to say. Musically what I'm most disappointed with is that Product does so little scratching and shit. It's like there's almost no place for him in the band anymore.
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PostSubject: Re: question for everyone   Sun Aug 09, 2009 8:59 am

talking about politics is not a problem, but talking bullshit (what jahred does) is kinda silly!
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PostSubject: Re: question for everyone   Sun Aug 09, 2009 10:01 am

I agree about the Product thing. I love Product, but I too feel that it doesnt seem like he does that
much anymore. That doesnt mean I want him out, I of course want more scratching/sampling.

But while Jah has been doing all this nonsense ranting, at least Jaxson is trying to make it more
about the music, by trying to experiment with riffs and songs. At least he sees it as more about
the music, as prolly do the other members too. I dont understand why Jah sees the music about
partying on their older albums is such a bad thing, just because it isnt about politics doesnt mean
its bad and not worth making. besides, they still do the songs about sex, so why not party songs
too? Besides, Jahred does preaching, the bulletins, and the songs...if he thinks that we wont
understand if he doesnt tell us in EVERY song, well he doesnt give us much credit hah.
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PostSubject: Here's the bulletin that it's all about   Sun Aug 09, 2009 12:21 pm

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mean people suck!!!

subject: hate to see you go…but

hedpe is on a journey for truth and enlightenment. It is a process. Always growing and learning new things.

Recently, I have learned that things are a lot better than I was led to believe. The Warriors of Light have been engaged in a Silent War for years, and the Nazi/Neocon/NWO forces are all but DEFEATED.

Their House of Cards has fallen.

Some people don’t want to hear that. They want to hug on to their hate. If things are getting better, they feel like they have lost their identity. Plus, some people are just plain MEAN. We don’t want MEAN people in our family.

MEAN PEOPLE SUCK!!!

If you are looking for a band that constantly says “fuck this” and “fuck that”, I assure you, you are in the wrong place. For instance, you will find people who enjoy saying “fuck the government”. But sometimes simplicity is not the answser.

There is no ONE government. There are many factions fighting for control. You’ve got the Nazis/Neocons, you’ve got the Masons, you’ve got the Magicians. You also have the alphabet agencies. All trying to have it their way.

The same with the Illuminati. There are several factions of the Illuminati, and not all of them are evil vampires.

You need to think nuance (shades of distinction). If you find your identity is based on hate, fear and rebellion, regardless of the information…hate to see you go but…farewell.

hedpe supports President Obama, not blindly, but we have done our studying and realize he is not under the control of the Elite. Some of you are mad and hate the President, and your hate has become religious in nature. Your hate is NOT based on facts. You are lost in your fear, and your time is running out.

Name dropping Bilderberg and CFR is not sufficient evidence. Once again, you have been fooled, and your energies have been misdirected to the dark side.

hate to see you go but…

this is not the place for you.

good luck. good riddance.

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Okay, so this is the bulletin that it's all about. And to be honost, I think this is one of the most fucked up bulletins Jah has ever posted.
He says not to hate, but this bulletin is so hatefull to the haters, it's almost pathetic.
Than he says we can't just hate on the government and on all the other stuff, but isn't he the one who started that, posting the bulletins that the government should be destroyed and who knows what?

I think this is just one of his hypocrytical-weed-bulletins...

As far as the music goes, every band evolves with time and so did (hed).
I can't deny, the self-titled album is still my all-time favourite. But they're doing new things now.
I'm not saying that's bad, I like the new songs, in a different way, but I like them!
What i can't stand is that Jahred is dissing himself by saying the older work is only about partying and feeling bad and doing drugs, and that he's not into it.
But THAT are the songs they start building a fanbase with, the fanbase that is still around.
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PostSubject: Re: question for everyone   Sun Aug 09, 2009 4:48 pm

Jarhed has never known anything about politics, I don't pay any attention to what he says in these posts. All this stuff about there being a "truth movement" is made up. No one else uses that term apart from Jah. Don't get me wrong there are conspiracies, there are protest groups, there are trade unions, but (hed) doesn't actually interact with them.

I mean at least with people like Tom Morello and Serj Tankian they end up in a cell with other protesters. They go out there and do something. Whereas Jah just seems to come up with this crazy idea that they are the "leaders of the truth movement" by posting blogs on the net.

I mean if you want to make a difference you pick one issue, you lobby access points, you get it into the media, you go to your representatives general surgerys, you hold mettings and rallies about it. What Jah tends to do is read some shit on the net, post some shit on the net and think he is MLK or Scargill or something.

I don't really care what the lyrics are about in the songs as long as the musics is good, hell, include all the politics you like. But these stupid blogs just make me embaressed to be a hed fan.
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PostSubject: Re: question for everyone   Sun Aug 09, 2009 11:43 pm

I just don't fuckin know anymore...the bulletins just turn me off.

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PostSubject: Re: question for everyone   Mon Aug 10, 2009 12:51 am

Idk, I'm getting rather annoyed and pissed off at Jah's stupid ass bulletins. They are fucking pointless!!!!!!!!! I am getting so sick of Jah using this "cliche" to try and attract fans. it's so childish and HYPOCRITICAL



i am keeping my hopes that the music will continue to be of the same quality. god damn sell outs... hed pe.. tech n9ne, KMK, psychopathic. all of em sold out.
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PostSubject: Re: question for everyone   Mon Aug 10, 2009 1:05 am

Sounds like Jah is being a douche in that bulletin. I thought he was all about the 1st Amendment.

I'm not against the political side of (hed)...what does piss me off is that it seems like they are hopping on this bandwagon...it seems like every band out there is singing about politics these days.

Provided (hed) mix the political, with the sex and violence then I'm happy. As long as they keep making sweet music, then I'm happy. And they are. N.W.O. is a solid album...even though the earlier shit owns the newer shit.

Jah is a hypocrite. We all know that.

Having said this: Can we be absolutely positively sure that Jahred is posting these bulletins.
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PostSubject: Re: question for everyone   Mon Aug 10, 2009 1:15 am

Whether it's him posting or not, most of the fans do like to believe that it's him, and regardless of who posts them, it's giving hed a bad name.
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PostSubject: Re: question for everyone   Mon Aug 10, 2009 1:16 am

no its just some random asshole hacking the (hed) myspace posting shit as jah
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PostSubject: Re: question for everyone   Mon Aug 10, 2009 2:08 am

hed_2012 wrote:

Having said this: Can we be absolutely positively sure that Jahred is posting these bulletins.
Yup man, I think the same thing. Some stuff sounds like things he'd say, other stuff not really. but then again i only know him from video interview and that's on the spot talking. But there is that one quote "Jahred knows all that bullshit as well." from Jahred and Obama: An Explanation blog post. So who know... I'm a skeptical of the information Jahred spreads and his motives. I think it's one of three things, he's purposely spreading disinformation, in it for the money from this fad, or is just dumb.

I'm glad this came up, cause this has been bothering me. But we all know hed's going do what they want and we can't really do anything. So I just wanted to get that shit off my mind and now its just fuck it all for me. I'm just going to look forward to the music.

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PostSubject: Re: question for everyone   Mon Aug 10, 2009 3:39 am

that bulletin is outta line 4 sure.
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PostSubject: Re: question for everyone   Mon Aug 10, 2009 3:46 am

I read this blog yesterday. It had comments in it when I read it, and a majority of the people commenting seemed to like what was being said. I'm glad someone brought an issue up about this blog, because honestly, it's just really...goddamn rediculous.

Whether it's actually Jared posting this shit or not, it is laughably mininformed. Parts of it read like a description for a cheesy fiction novel. Like lozz said, this is the kind of shit that makes me embarassed to even like this band.

I miss (hed) simply being about having fun and making enjoyable music. Now every song has to have some bullshit message. The band's old fanbase is totally irrelevant. Most people that listened to them way back when don't even realize they are still around or have heard the new stuff and just waved it off. A good chunk of the new fans are the kind of people who build their lives around this silly political nonsense, or at least appear to, and continue to feed the band's agenda. They have little to no interest in catering to their former audience. I've stuck with them for a long time, but this whole thing is just starting to come of as an act, and frankly, I'm tired of it. Thankfully, NWO is strong musically and serves as a good deterent from the subject matter.

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PostSubject: Re: question for everyone   Mon Aug 10, 2009 4:44 am

Shakezulah wrote:
I miss (hed) simply being about having fun and making enjoyable music. Now every song has to have some bullshit message. The band's old fanbase is totally irrelevant. Most people that listened to them way back when don't even realize they are still around or have heard the new stuff and just waved it off. A good chunk of the new fans are the kind of people who build their lives around this silly political nonsense, or at least appear to, and continue to feed the band's agenda. They have little to no interest in catering to their former audience. I've stuck with them for a long time, but this whole thing is just starting to come of as an act, and frankly, I'm tired of it. Thankfully, NWO is strong musically and serves as a good deterent from the subject matter.

THANK YOU! You hit the nail on the head right there... that's exactly the point I was trying to get across.

Glad most of you guys feel the same, and I'm not alone in this one. I always thought I would be a Hed fan for life, but I'm finding out that that's getting farther and farther from the truth.
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PostSubject: Re: question for everyone   Mon Aug 10, 2009 6:55 am

gearhead87 wrote:
Shakezulah wrote:
I miss (hed) simply being about having fun and making enjoyable music. Now every song has to have some bullshit message. The band's old fanbase is totally irrelevant. Most people that listened to them way back when don't even realize they are still around or have heard the new stuff and just waved it off. A good chunk of the new fans are the kind of people who build their lives around this silly political nonsense, or at least appear to, and continue to feed the band's agenda. They have little to no interest in catering to their former audience. I've stuck with them for a long time, but this whole thing is just starting to come of as an act, and frankly, I'm tired of it. Thankfully, NWO is strong musically and serves as a good deterent from the subject matter.

THANK YOU! You hit the nail on the head right there... that's exactly the point I was trying to get across.

Glad most of you guys feel the same, and I'm not alone in this one. I always thought I would be a Hed fan for life, but I'm finding out that that's getting farther and farther from the truth.

Don't think about that truth too much, you might start writing bulletins when you're high.
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PostSubject: Re: question for everyone   Tue Aug 11, 2009 1:18 am

i dont think im gonna stop listening to hed any time soon, love it too much!
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PostSubject: Re: question for everyone   Tue Aug 11, 2009 1:41 am

yeah i don't think anyone is suggesting that bro. this is more about jahred's increasingly senile mental state lol!
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PostSubject: Re: question for everyone   Tue Aug 11, 2009 2:25 am

Ya man I'm not suggesting I'm going to stop listening to them, just that I'm going to go on listening to their older stuff. About the time everything started getting too political is when I started dropping off...
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PostSubject: Re: question for everyone   Wed Aug 12, 2009 1:47 am

i dont mind politics, but if they help waking people up and help them realize they have the power to do whatever they want, even if its taking down the government, im all for it

i know there are people that dont care about politics, but want it or not its part of our reality, and not everything is alright

and yeah, i know jah contradicts himself every five minutes, but thats his problem

i think the beautiful part about art is that you can interpret it as you wish, and you can decide to take something good from it. at least thats what i do, instead of wasting my time in critizicing it and telling everyone why i dont like it. if i dont like it i dont listen to it and thats it, i dont care if everyone knows if i like it or not and my reasons why

anyway, thats just my opinion
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PostSubject: Re: question for everyone   Wed Aug 12, 2009 10:24 pm

He posted another bulletin today, titled 'Fox News is a Nazi Front'
And, I actually thought it was going to be an actual relevant bulletin
It started out well, I agreed with it, it wasnt just random bullshit
Then I read the whole thing, and, it was just more stupid bullshit rofl

I would never stop listening to (hed), ever. And even the new music is really good.
Yes, it's not as good as old music. But it's still very good music.
It's just like everyone said though, when Jahred says all this random bullshit
But not really following it up like Rage or Serj would do, just basically ranting
It's the kinda stuff that makes me too feel kind of, embarassed.
I love (hed) and I love their music, and yeah some say just listen to the music
And I will, but realize that Jah takes the ranting to the stage too, which is all it is, stupid ranting
I came to see (hed) p.e. perform, not hear about mindless shit for half the show (exagerated)
Keep it in the music, I think its cool, maybe not in every song, but yeah, I like it
But if you are gonna keep it in the music, then just sing the song, dont follow a live show
Singing about it, then talking more about it

I'll say for the 3rd time though, I love (hed), and I would never stop listening or caring

Oh and, Lol maybe it's just me, but I honestly think, that the other band members
Could give a shit less. I've heard Mawk talk about some stuff, but that was it.
Am I wrong?
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PostSubject: Re: question for everyone   Thu Aug 13, 2009 12:25 am

I can't be sure but I think Product cares as well.

To be completely honest, some of Jahs ranting has opened my eyes up to a FEW things. He will say something vague and then I'll research it online. I've learned quite a few things from the man...but yeah man, keep the long fucking speeches out of the live show. We just want to see a great band play great music.
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